bmfrosty
Adventurer
Ah. My recollection was incorrect. I had thought that the saves didn't move until cyclopedia. My peeve is when I'm building a character and I have to hunt them down at all.OD&D, 1977 Holmes, and 1981 B/X don't put them in the character descriptions, but they're only a few pages away or in the Combat section (and in the quick reference tables at the back of Holmes). 1983 BECMI and the 1991 Rules Cyclopedia had them in the character descriptions, like 3rd and later.
Telling the DM what you rolled and relying on them is a way to do things. When I DM, my attention is pretty split, and it takes some load off me to arm the players with enough information that they can tell me what their modified attack roll is so all I have to do compare to the DC. If they know that their fighter at level 4 gets 2 points better to hit, then I don't have to remember to take that into account.Learning D&D in the 1e era I normally just wrote down stats, AC, HP, and equipment on a sheet of paper for my characters. Usually with the damage for weapons in parentheses. Sometimes with languages or class and race abilities as well. No THAC0 or saves.
We would say we rolled a 17 and the DM would figure out if we hit or saved.