Micah Sweet
Level Up & OSR Enthusiast
Sigil is the best they've got.
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Micah Sweet
Level Up & OSR Enthusiast
I assume people mean the general use definition of a word when they use it, unless they say otherwise. I definitely don't assume they mean something that only makes sense in a gamist way.
Micah Sweet
Level Up & OSR Enthusiast
Coventry was destroyed by the Nazis.
Paul Farquhar
Legend
It’s still there. It was badly damaged, not destroyed. But that does mean it’s light on old buildings. But Nottingham isn’t that well endowed either. Coventry is also famous for naked tax protests.
Voadam
Legend
I have used Greyhawk in my 1e/2e longtime AD&D campaign and used the 2e City of Greyhawk boxed set and ran a trilogy of modules and some of the boxed set mini adventures there. You have the option of running nearby mega adventures nearby using the post-Gygax parody 1e Castle Greyhawk, the straight Gygax tribute 2e Greyhawk Ruins, the 3e big Greyhawk adventure, or adapting Troll Lord's Gygax-written Castles and Crusades serial numbers filed off Yggsburgh material or BRW Games tribute Castle of the Mad Archmage.
For me starting with the 1e Gygax Greyhawk boxed set as my setting, Greyhawk changed post Gygax and while good and enjoyable for me, I think it had the potential to be top tier for me if Gygax had ever actually written his planned City of Greyhawk and Castle Greyhawk books. The 2e Greyhawk city material was fairly base 2e writing style which was decent but not top tier for me.
For me starting with the 1e Gygax Greyhawk boxed set as my setting, Greyhawk changed post Gygax and while good and enjoyable for me, I think it had the potential to be top tier for me if Gygax had ever actually written his planned City of Greyhawk and Castle Greyhawk books. The 2e Greyhawk city material was fairly base 2e writing style which was decent but not top tier for me.
Ruin Explorer
Legend
Hardly.
As much it has been mythologized, it wasn't bombed even a fraction as much, relative to its size, as a lot of cities in Germany, nor comprehensively destroyed by firebombing as many Japanese cities were, particularly Tokyo (the bombing of which would undoubtedly and frankly correctly have lead to warcrime trials had the West not won - the US intentionally targeted purely residential areas with horrifically designed "napalm pump" weapons which had no purpose beyond mass-killing human civilians - military and industrial structures were largely immune to them - the low-end estimate is 100k civilians - mostly women and children - burned to death in a single evening)
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Arnie_Wan_Kenobi
Aspiring Trickster Mentor
Sigil and Lankhmar get my vote, although I've never actually played or DM'ed either one.
Paul Farquhar
Legend
Liverpool was heavily bombed. Even in the 70s when I was growing up there there were still a lot of bombed out sites that had not been rebuilt.
Ruin Explorer
Legend
I mean, define heavily.
Compared to a lot of the rest of the UK that wasn't London? Yes.
Compared to London? Not really.
Compared to cities in Germany and Japan? Not even slightly.
We lost about 10% as many civilians to bombing as the Germans did (the UK lost about 40,000 civilians over the entire war, a figure worth noting), and similarly our infrastructure and factories were far less damaged. The Luftwaffe at its worst was as-nothing to the industrial-scale bombing raids of 1944 and 1945. Don't make people with more production capacity than you and who possess similarly amoral attitudes towards civilian populations to you mad, I guess! (Not that it works or achieves any legitimate military goal - bombing civilians is pointless at best, Dan Carlin did a pretty good podcast on that I note).
Growing up in London in the 1980s and 1990s, there were still a few old bomb sites here too. Just places with half-grown-over rubble or waste ground the older people knew had been bombed. By the end of the 1990s or early 2000s I think people hard or were building on pretty much all of them.
