Level Up (A5E) create groups of same enemy into mobs
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Holy cow, thanks! I had no earthly idea that existed, what a weird place to put that side bar!
YES, Thank you so much.
A squad of alchemist that threw a bomb would do 5 * 24 damage. That's... a lot of damage hahahaha.
EDIT: I know that squad rules say CR 3 or below, but its funny to me to imagine a gang of alchemists going around annihilating dragons for the king by mass bombing against it. Perhaps a fun story seed if this was a tyrannical group?
EDIT: I know that squad rules say CR 3 or below, but its funny to me to imagine a gang of alchemists going around annihilating dragons for the king by mass bombing against it. Perhaps a fun story seed if this was a tyrannical group?
One mob attack houserule I really like from O5e, is you roll one attack.
you then have 3 attack values, your roll, the roll + 5, and the roll -5. Each does 2x damage in this case if the result hits the AC. So you can hit 0,1,2, or 3 times
so this creates a much less swingy result and is more in line with 5 individual attack rolls
I like that, I'm going to try the squad rules as printed but did have the concern with swingy hits at lower levels. That may be balanced by the increased cr and assumptions about player level will be higher as well.
That's a nice house rule that could be fun though. It still allows for "half hits" so still rewards higher ac in some way.
Mach5RR
Explorer
Sorry to resurrect this thread, but me, my GM, and our other players are utterly confused by how squads are supposed to work.
I've been carrying around an Iron Horn of Valhalla, and things got desperate enough for me to use it.
We used the stats for Berserker Horde as found in a5e.tools and thats where things went sideways. Notably, in how it takes damage.
The horde has 5 times the base creatures hit points. Cool, makes things simple.
The horde has the Area Vulnerability trait. This says that any area attack against the horde does double damage. Cool, since the horde is multiple creatures, this is understandable.
The horde has the Damage and Healing trait. THIS IS THE BAD TRAIT THAT BREAKS SQUADS. It stats that any action or trait that deals damage, deals 5 times the usual damage. This makes zero sense. One, why bother to multiply the hitpoints the squad has, if I'm going to multiply the damage it takes by 5? It would be simpler bookkeeping just to leave everything as normal. And why is damaged multiplied by 5? The point of a squad, is they become large hit point sinks, as opposed to listing 5 separate creatures on the combat tracker. Plus, as written, the combination of Area Vulnerability and Damage and Healing means squads are taking 10x damage. This makes the squad -weaker- than the collection it is supposed to represent.
As it stood, the demon chewed through the hordes like they were butter, because its claw attacks were doing 5x damage to the hordes - and then promptly had problems when they hit zero points and the Squad Dispersal ability kick in. The demon actually had more issues with the individual horde members than the horde itself.
If I would do anything it would be to combine the two traits, with the double damage for area attacks - and double healing if an area heal is used on the squad.
I've been carrying around an Iron Horn of Valhalla, and things got desperate enough for me to use it.
We used the stats for Berserker Horde as found in a5e.tools and thats where things went sideways. Notably, in how it takes damage.
The horde has 5 times the base creatures hit points. Cool, makes things simple.
The horde has the Area Vulnerability trait. This says that any area attack against the horde does double damage. Cool, since the horde is multiple creatures, this is understandable.
The horde has the Damage and Healing trait. THIS IS THE BAD TRAIT THAT BREAKS SQUADS. It stats that any action or trait that deals damage, deals 5 times the usual damage. This makes zero sense. One, why bother to multiply the hitpoints the squad has, if I'm going to multiply the damage it takes by 5? It would be simpler bookkeeping just to leave everything as normal. And why is damaged multiplied by 5? The point of a squad, is they become large hit point sinks, as opposed to listing 5 separate creatures on the combat tracker. Plus, as written, the combination of Area Vulnerability and Damage and Healing means squads are taking 10x damage. This makes the squad -weaker- than the collection it is supposed to represent.
As it stood, the demon chewed through the hordes like they were butter, because its claw attacks were doing 5x damage to the hordes - and then promptly had problems when they hit zero points and the Squad Dispersal ability kick in. The demon actually had more issues with the individual horde members than the horde itself.
If I would do anything it would be to combine the two traits, with the double damage for area attacks - and double healing if an area heal is used on the squad.
W'rkncacnter
Hero
see, the problem here is that you've completely misunderstood the trait. the damage and Healing trait doesn't multiply the damage and healing the squad receives - it multiplies the damage and healing the squad DEALS. so, for example, if the base creature can deal 1d8+2 damage with an attack (or heal that much with a spell or ability), a squad instead deals 5d8+10 damage (or healing).
Any action or trait that the squad has. The squad template is applied to the squad, not to its enemies.
